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	<description>Caroline Stocks on the obvious combination of journalism, media and farming</description>
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		<title>By: Adam West</title>
		<link>http://www.carolinestocks.com/2010/04/21/liar-liar-non-organic-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-3523</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following Melchie&#039;s comments, it&#039;s obvious that you can&#039;t join the organic gang just by being positive in one blog! 
Obviously you have to go the whole hog and become a raving hippy like Maryjo before he&#039;ll accept you into the club.

Now I have a vision of Melchie and Maryjo skipping daintily through their allotments randomly spraying copper and fairy liquid all over the shop, singing Hare, Hare -eeeeeeuhhh!

Keep up the top blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following Melchie&#8217;s comments, it&#8217;s obvious that you can&#8217;t join the organic gang just by being positive in one blog!<br />
Obviously you have to go the whole hog and become a raving hippy like Maryjo before he&#8217;ll accept you into the club.</p>
<p>Now I have a vision of Melchie and Maryjo skipping daintily through their allotments randomly spraying copper and fairy liquid all over the shop, singing Hare, Hare -eeeeeeuhhh!</p>
<p>Keep up the top blog</p>
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		<title>By: Maryjo Damewood</title>
		<link>http://www.carolinestocks.com/2010/04/21/liar-liar-non-organic-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2933</link>
		<dc:creator>Maryjo Damewood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 19:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is still better to adhere on organic farming because the fruits and vegetables does not contain those harmful chemicals.*&quot;~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is still better to adhere on organic farming because the fruits and vegetables does not contain those harmful chemicals.*&#8221;~</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.carolinestocks.com/2010/04/21/liar-liar-non-organic-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2918</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well done all, that&#039;s more like it. Having just traveled though both north and South America for the past 5 weeks two things are now very clear to me. The first is that the world will have no trouble feeding itself if you account for the volume of food produced and the increase in production (as Caroline indicated)GM has had a positive affect on the economies of South America and over the next 10 years will make them the most prolific food producers on the planet. Second is that the distribution and affordability of food will be the biggest hurdle to overcome in the next 40 years. I went away not sure about GM&#039;s future in Ag and came back and ordered my first seed which I will plant on Tuesday. I think the third world needs the best of the technology available. The green revolution saved milions from starvation in the seventies and kick started many economies at the same time, I think GM has the same potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well done all, that&#8217;s more like it. Having just traveled though both north and South America for the past 5 weeks two things are now very clear to me. The first is that the world will have no trouble feeding itself if you account for the volume of food produced and the increase in production (as Caroline indicated)GM has had a positive affect on the economies of South America and over the next 10 years will make them the most prolific food producers on the planet. Second is that the distribution and affordability of food will be the biggest hurdle to overcome in the next 40 years. I went away not sure about GM&#8217;s future in Ag and came back and ordered my first seed which I will plant on Tuesday. I think the third world needs the best of the technology available. The green revolution saved milions from starvation in the seventies and kick started many economies at the same time, I think GM has the same potential.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Melchett, Policy Director, Soil Association</title>
		<link>http://www.carolinestocks.com/2010/04/21/liar-liar-non-organic-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2916</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Melchett, Policy Director, Soil Association</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was good of Caroline Stocks to take the trouble to comment on our recent report (Telling Porkies; the big fat lie about doubling food production).  However, Caroline objects to our &#039;silly name-calling&#039; while agreeing with what the report says.

I&#039;d have more sympathy with her objection if she had drawn any attention at the time to the fact that a House of Commons Select Committee had thrown serious doubts on the endlessly repeated claim that we need to double food production by 2050, or increase it by 50% by 2030, in order to feed the world&#039;s growing population.  A far as I know, she didn&#039;t.  Nor did she shout from the rooftops when the Government, in reply to the Select Committee, admitted that the figures looked a bit dodgy.  They actually suggested that if you went back far enough and did the calculations from an earlier date, the science on which these claims are meant to be based could suggest a nearly doubling of food production might be needed.  That sounds to me like a significantly bigger scandal than the leaked emails about climate change from East Anglia University.  It is a scandal which is central to much of the agricultural press&#039; coverage of the future of farming.  

Yet numerous senior figures from the Government, the NFU and GM companies have continued to use these figures, never once challenged by the agricultural press, or by Caroline herself.  The fact is, it took the Soil Association&#039;s &quot;silly name-calling&quot; to get Caroline, or indeed anyone else, to sit up and take notice.

I hope people will also notice that the authors of the original scientific paper which looked at projections (not desirable goals) for food production globally said quite clearly that increasing food production will not solve the problem of malnutrition and starvation.  Indeed, increasing production is not a good predictor of whether starvation and hunger will be reduced.  More important is to transform: access to food; the ability to buy food; and the ability of developing countries to produce more of their own food themselves, rather than, as now, increasingly relying on imports.

Caroline, if you see me dancing around my &#039;organic allotment&#039;, it will be because we&#039;ve finally got all of our Spring crops drilled after the long, cold and wet winter.  And by the way, even Defra have caught up with the fact that min-til systems are not necessarily better for climate change, and not many people are claiming nowadays that GM crops reduce inputs, given clear evidence from the USA of overall increases of pesticide use on GM crops.

Peter Melchett

Policy Director, Soil Association</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was good of Caroline Stocks to take the trouble to comment on our recent report (Telling Porkies; the big fat lie about doubling food production).  However, Caroline objects to our &#8216;silly name-calling&#8217; while agreeing with what the report says.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have more sympathy with her objection if she had drawn any attention at the time to the fact that a House of Commons Select Committee had thrown serious doubts on the endlessly repeated claim that we need to double food production by 2050, or increase it by 50% by 2030, in order to feed the world&#8217;s growing population.  A far as I know, she didn&#8217;t.  Nor did she shout from the rooftops when the Government, in reply to the Select Committee, admitted that the figures looked a bit dodgy.  They actually suggested that if you went back far enough and did the calculations from an earlier date, the science on which these claims are meant to be based could suggest a nearly doubling of food production might be needed.  That sounds to me like a significantly bigger scandal than the leaked emails about climate change from East Anglia University.  It is a scandal which is central to much of the agricultural press&#8217; coverage of the future of farming.  </p>
<p>Yet numerous senior figures from the Government, the NFU and GM companies have continued to use these figures, never once challenged by the agricultural press, or by Caroline herself.  The fact is, it took the Soil Association&#8217;s &#8220;silly name-calling&#8221; to get Caroline, or indeed anyone else, to sit up and take notice.</p>
<p>I hope people will also notice that the authors of the original scientific paper which looked at projections (not desirable goals) for food production globally said quite clearly that increasing food production will not solve the problem of malnutrition and starvation.  Indeed, increasing production is not a good predictor of whether starvation and hunger will be reduced.  More important is to transform: access to food; the ability to buy food; and the ability of developing countries to produce more of their own food themselves, rather than, as now, increasingly relying on imports.</p>
<p>Caroline, if you see me dancing around my &#8216;organic allotment&#8217;, it will be because we&#8217;ve finally got all of our Spring crops drilled after the long, cold and wet winter.  And by the way, even Defra have caught up with the fact that min-til systems are not necessarily better for climate change, and not many people are claiming nowadays that GM crops reduce inputs, given clear evidence from the USA of overall increases of pesticide use on GM crops.</p>
<p>Peter Melchett</p>
<p>Policy Director, Soil Association</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://www.carolinestocks.com/2010/04/21/liar-liar-non-organic-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2912</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Organic Farmers And Growers have responded to the report on their blog - worth a read http://www.organicfarmers.org.uk/blog/2010/04/22/so-whos-really-telling-porkies/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Organic Farmers And Growers have responded to the report on their blog &#8211; worth a read <a href="http://www.organicfarmers.org.uk/blog/2010/04/22/so-whos-really-telling-porkies/" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicfarmers.org.uk/blog/2010/04/22/so-whos-really-telling-porkies/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris tye</title>
		<link>http://www.carolinestocks.com/2010/04/21/liar-liar-non-organic-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2911</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris tye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My argument with soil association is their attitude towards developing countries and farming in the developing world. First they attack exports from countries like Kenya , where else are they to sell their cash crops other than the EU. Now in this latest report they dare to suggest that aspiring to a western meat based diet is not what &quot;they&quot; should do. Rather keep developing nations on near starvation rations to avoid food shortages! Meanwhile we take up valuable agricultural land growing low yielding organic vegetables. If we are to produce more food from less inputs we need to invest in new technology not rely on knee jerk responses from the soil association.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My argument with soil association is their attitude towards developing countries and farming in the developing world. First they attack exports from countries like Kenya , where else are they to sell their cash crops other than the EU. Now in this latest report they dare to suggest that aspiring to a western meat based diet is not what &#8220;they&#8221; should do. Rather keep developing nations on near starvation rations to avoid food shortages! Meanwhile we take up valuable agricultural land growing low yielding organic vegetables. If we are to produce more food from less inputs we need to invest in new technology not rely on knee jerk responses from the soil association.</p>
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		<title>By: William Haire</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Haire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, spot on. Charity begins at home our number one priority is to ensure domestic supplies then worry about everyone else after that. With Ag ranking number 25 in that report that was published recently (sorry havent time to go check exactly what it was called) we might be struggling to do that even with our current management practices.
Anyway I think there will be a huge natural disaster or more likely disease outbreak which will hit global populations and their growth. Mother Nature will have the last laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, spot on. Charity begins at home our number one priority is to ensure domestic supplies then worry about everyone else after that. With Ag ranking number 25 in that report that was published recently (sorry havent time to go check exactly what it was called) we might be struggling to do that even with our current management practices.<br />
Anyway I think there will be a huge natural disaster or more likely disease outbreak which will hit global populations and their growth. Mother Nature will have the last laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Teague</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Teague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust me, I am amazed to say that you are right, please don&#039;t tell the SA I agree with anything they drivel  tho&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust me, I am amazed to say that you are right, please don&#8217;t tell the SA I agree with anything they drivel  tho&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bedington</title>
		<link>http://www.carolinestocks.com/2010/04/21/liar-liar-non-organic-pants-on-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-2908</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bedington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It struck me as an extraordinarily childish title for a report! (see, no swearing)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It struck me as an extraordinarily childish title for a report! (see, no swearing)</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good blog, couldn&#039;t agree more</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good blog, couldn&#8217;t agree more</p>
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